Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. Mag. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. Whelen would not. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. It put an exclamation point on that lung shot. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. Mag. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. Thought about that 375 Ruger but nah. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Mag. would follow that tradition. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Mag. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. The .358 Win. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. and the 6.5 mm Rem. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. to achieve its potential. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. Not so the .358 Norma. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. figure of 0.300 is desirable, and comparing similar cartridges, youll see the .350 Rigby comes in a bit behind the other popular choices of the day. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Posts: 46,063. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. from my E.R. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. Follow along to see exactly how. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? with a similar 180-grain bullet. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. As Ive said, I like mediums, such as the unpopular 8mm Remington Magnum and the faster .33s. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. G. Joined: Sep 2009. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. R Rocky There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. The .350 Rem. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. was introduced in 1955. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. It was an 03 Springfield action, unknown barrel, very nice piece of wood, all the fancy metal work done (custom trigger, side safety ala Rem 700, cocking knob and safety removed, milled floorplate, forged bolt, speedloader slots removed, D&T'd ,polished and blued). Norma loads their 250-grain Oryx bullet to this velocity, and as the rear portion of the bullet is bonded, it will give an excellent blend of expansion and penetration. Ive obviously left the door wide open. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. Subscriber Services. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. Spl. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Why the .35 Rem. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). i have a 35 whelen and love it. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. plowed fresh ground. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. I have no experience with the Norma mag. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. Mag. Then come the .270s. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. 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When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. You bet they worked! The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win.
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